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rapheal glynn
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![]() Topic: Tents for motorcyclistsPosted: 22 Apr 2012 at 12:00 |
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last year I used a small 2 berth tent, however you needed to lay out the groundsheet and peg it in with 8 pegs
then droop the outer sheet over it feed two poles through and try to lock them in place and after that feed another pole through the front inside a slim channell
apart from the weight 5.5 kilos it was a pain to put up when tired out and late in the day
I want to buy a replacement tent ideally lighter and single skin but I do not want to go on some sort of mad race to buy the most exotic bit of kit that will gain me admiration from hardened campers and backpackers
i dont do flashy
just something lighter easy to erect and dismantle and small enough to go on a motorcycle
I have seen a few discounted at Atwools thats where I got may last tents and it was excellent apart from the build time, I have also seen a few on ebay, I want a new one not secondhand ahd enough of that
but everytime I look at one they come with all sorts of complex descriptions
I need room for 2 and ideally a place to store the panniers at the front when they are wet, my last tents was good for that as you could leave them in the porch area to dry I purchased a very nice sleeping bag last year that rolls up very small however I did get cold a few nights camped near a river again can i get a warmer one or is there something i could but to put over it ?
I dont want to spend 400 quid on a tent though ! Edited by rapheal glynn - 22 Apr 2012 at 12:18 |
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Halfnut
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![]() Posted: 22 Apr 2012 at 17:28 |
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Well we are big fans of khyam tents, ridiculously easy to put up, and pack away quite small too, and whilst the ubiquitous khyam biker tent is a bit big for what you need, the smaller khyam tents like the highlander iirc are worth a look
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rapheal glynn
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![]() Posted: 22 Apr 2012 at 17:48 |
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top man
I shall have a look
the trouble is their are so many names out there and some are worth the money but many are overpriced and are just fashion statements
my other tent is a coleman 12 berth a high class tent that will give years of use
the last one i had survived the mandello gales unlike some of the tents on site !!
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Vivian
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![]() Posted: 22 Apr 2012 at 18:34 |
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I've got a kyham biker which I've used for 3 or 4 bike trips and at other times. It goes up as quick as anything, and if you leave the sleeping compartment connected between sites the tent is ready in 5 mins. The newer ones are a little more compact than my one for some reason. My friend has a newer one and it goes on his blackbird well enough. They aren't cheap, but worth it. I take a bit of plastic to use as a ground sheet in the outer section for my boxes etc to go on.
Just seen they are around £150... I would buy another one when my one stops working ;-) no sign of that yet though. Edited by Vivian - 22 Apr 2012 at 18:39 |
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guzzibear
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![]() Posted: 22 Apr 2012 at 19:45 |
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the Blacks Aquilla we got from a tent show for £39 instead of £120 is brill, big enough and easy to put up take down came with led lights too .... well worth keeping an eye on tent shows for a bargain
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![]() Posted: 22 Apr 2012 at 20:56 |
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Kyam are good, but the integrated poles make them a bit bulky.
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rapheal glynn
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![]() Posted: 22 Apr 2012 at 21:27 |
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I have just been nosing at the cotswold camping website they do videos of most of the tents showing them being assembled
thats useful as you can see how fiddly it is !!
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Halfnut
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![]() Posted: 22 Apr 2012 at 21:31 |
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Our khyam biker survived the mandello tempest too, we did have to get up and add extra guy ropes,because the tent was being blown over on to us but it was in one piece afterwards...
The newer biker khyams have poles that divide into four, the older one had poles that divided into three iirc Also the really newer ones come with the groundsheet I think, we had to buy ours but boy it was worth it, as the base to the inner part is not a waterproof as t could be after a few years of use |
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Deep South paddle faster, I hear banjos
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Brian UK
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![]() Posted: 23 Apr 2012 at 22:16 |
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I bought a Khyam Compact Plus, it cost all of £35 (which might just fit your budget), and is a two man tent. It weighs all of 2.5 kilos, and packs up small enough (about 35 x 15 cm) to fit inside the pannier (leaving lots of space for more). It takes little more than 10 mins to erect, two bendy poles threaded through the flysheet, then the inner complete with groundsheet goes in after. The benefit of this is that you can pack the inner away dry if it's raining.
Don't go for a single skin tent, they may not be as waterproof, and suffer more from condensation (and are colder too). You could get one of these new pop up tents, self erecting in 2 seconds, though they take a longer fight to pack up. Also they pack into a circular bag, about 55cm dia. which would be difficult to carry on a bike. But they are double skinned.
Mind you, if you want it for two people then you need to look for a three man tent.
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Zecis
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![]() Posted: 24 Apr 2012 at 07:33 |
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or maybe even a 4 person tent.... I am sure tent sizes are calculated using lithe athletic t shirt wearing youngsters.
Not motorbike gear wearing, physically challenged, often larger than standard size, middle aged guzzi owners - often with a surfeit of beer or wine in their systems.
... I guess that means you are back at the Kyham biker
Adam Edited by Zecis - 24 Apr 2012 at 07:34 |
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sutty
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![]() Posted: 24 Apr 2012 at 14:55 |
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Try looking at the Vango omega 350,good size sleeping area for 2 + big porch for pannier storage,cooking etc,good quality alloy poles too.
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steveindenmark
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![]() Posted: 24 Apr 2012 at 15:08 |
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I have no idea what type of tent I have but I would not get anything less than a 3 man tent. It is ample if there is just me and big enough if there is Jannie and myself.
I would not have a single skin tent because in my experience they are condensation catchers and you will get wet regardless what is going on outside the tent. There is no need to watch every ounce on a motorbike. It is hard enough riding so allow yourself a bit of luxury. Steve
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Guzzirider
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![]() Posted: 24 Apr 2012 at 16:04 |
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We have a Vango 450 which is piece of cake to put up, and has loads of room for us and our gear- handy if the weather is poor. We got ours ex display for £60. Weighs about 7kgs and packs up reasonably compact.
I have just bought a 1.9kg Karrimor tent for cycle camping- not much bigger than a coffin!
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Harvey
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![]() Posted: 25 Apr 2012 at 22:18 |
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I would agree that single skin tents suffer severe condensation problems, I would never use one again. I use a Vango Banshee 200, there is also a 3 man version, the 300. Current versions are single hoop, outer first or inner first. Packs small and weighs just 2kg. Fine for me and my kit but no safe cooking area and limited head room, but my preference to travel and light as possible, so I forgo the camp chair, TV and temporarily the wife. Others travel with a veritable mountain on the bike (and with the wife?).
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guzzibear
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![]() Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 11:59 |
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this site is worth a look
The second site has alot of tent reviews but also has reviews of campsites I found it pretty useful
The thing that has always put me off the Kyham tents over the years are
1) Price
2) longevity , they seem to fade and then get more difficult to proof
3) EVERY time i have been to a rally or otherwise and the weather has been foul, ie wind/rain the Kyhams have been the ones to blow down/break and generally not good. One very fierce V Twin in Shaftesbury just about every Kyham tent equipped rallyist had problems and had to leave early.
HOWEVER look at the best ie Highest hydrostatic head as that is the waterproofing, and usually, not always, it follows are more stable in wind rain.
I always figure a 4 man tent works OK for 2 and bike luggage /gear too Of course there are those who do theminimal thing, but I also prefer something Ican almost stand in to put my skiddies on, gerrin too old to scrabble about on hands and knees.
Ease of putting up and taking down is also good, but there are many that do that without sacrificing structural strength. Edited by guzzibear - 26 Apr 2012 at 12:03 |
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Halfnut
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![]() Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 19:29 |
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Never had a khyam broken due to wind... Only user stupidity
Variously the old khyam and the new one have withstood the Orkney island gales, that vtwin you mention, we didn't leave early and were tent intact, the howling gale at mandello, bum in the mud, a notoriously windy site, the tail end of a hurricane in cornwall and a few more My old one lasted at a guess 6or 8 years of very frequent use before it became not waterproof The new one is lasting better tho I think, whether that's due to less frequent use or a better made tent I don't know The downsides as I see it are cost, yes, it's not a cheap tent, and every other bod at a rally has one, as do over half our pals... Tho fortunately the new version Is green not blue |
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Deep South paddle faster, I hear banjos
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Danspics
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![]() Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 22:59 |
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I have a Gelrt Nankina which I have had for a few years only weighs 2.5kg and at less than £30 a bargain. It takes less than 5 minutes to pitch and is totally waterproof. I wouldn't want to sleep with two people in one, but it is perfect for one plus storage for kit.
http://www.campmania.co.uk/Item--0-cat-0-brand-427-Gelert_Nakina_Plus.aspx |
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Dan, Oxfordshire.
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Brian UK
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![]() Posted: 27 Apr 2012 at 09:12 |
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Indeed a good selection of 2/3 berth tents there.
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Brian.
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rapheal glynn
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![]() Posted: 27 Apr 2012 at 10:45 |
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great
I have found out a lot more about tents now
trouble is you go into a camping shop and they blind you with technobabble
i wanted to reduce the weight as the ast one was 6.5KG and you certainly flet it when lifting the roll bag onto the bike with tents sleeping bag adn tools
also as I have a small motorcycle I want to keep the weight down, I may even need to add a small rack for when I take a pillion
it had not occured to me that a single skin tent would cause condensation problems
my old 3 man 2 skin tent I used at mandello stayed watertight and solid
but I dont need a great deal of room and as for cooking i eat al fresco that way i get to chat to the locals and learn Italian for free !!
I believe pubs also serve food !!
but i think it might be wise to consider a slightly larger tent in case its wet as that will give me room to stash stuff
my nephew wants to come camping with me this year but he is built like a shire horse
I have seen cheapo tents for sale and a local place used to sell ex display ones very cheaply but you never know what you are getting
our first tent came from such a place and was ok for the kids and us but way too small thats why I bought the big coleman
Steves tent looked good at mandello
some of the others got left behind in the bin !!!
I left mine neatly folded in its bag at Metz as a young couple had theirs ripped in a storm so I gave it to them, I was leaving as they arrived they had a nice weeks stay in it and left it on site for the next guest
the site kept a few tents like this for people who forgot to pack the poles and parts !!
not me honest
just had a look at those sites and its helpful
i quite like the coleman tunnel tent as you can enter either at the end or the side and it gives storage for wet bike stuff
will be perusing the kyham ones next
any one know anything about nordkapp tents ! Edited by rapheal glynn - 27 Apr 2012 at 11:17 |
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andym
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We bought a Vango Omega 350 about 3 years ago. Paid about £90, tho' Ithink the're about £120 now. Big 2 person sleeping compartment with porch that offers loads of room for luggage etc. Plus points Easy and quick to erect/dismantle/ Loads of room, but somehow cosy at night too. Minus points design of doors quite large opening, but that can mean ingress of water when you open it when raining due door profile which effectively means your're opening part of the roof as well as the side.
Never had any problems with leaks tho. Have replaced a couple of alloy pole sections after trying to erect the tent in near hurricane conditions in switzerland. ( a neighbouring german had his tent ripped out the ground). Re sleeping bags, best value we've had were Vango (nitestar 350 I think and £35 ) but don't seem to get them anymore. Had some poor ones since and frozen in -6 conditions (Helen was not inpressed). However now bought some from cotwolds - marmot(?) not cheap normally around £100 (we got a deal), but so far lovely and warm, recomended if your budget allows
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Zecis
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![]() Posted: 04 May 2012 at 08:08 |
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I've spotted the nordkapp tents as well - they look good, (reassuringly expensive too), but I have never seen one in the flesh, or on my tent shop... Ebay
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have a look at the tentipi range then. Very nice, very not cheap. |
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rapheal glynn
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![]() Posted: 04 May 2012 at 22:05 |
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just been looking at the vango it looks very good
I am trying to keep the weight down but as several people point out if the tent is too small and the weather is bad it ruins your holiday
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rapheal glynn
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I think steve has it right take a bit of luxury
I have seen soem bivi bags advertised at around 25 quid also sleepijg bag liners so I might investigate on to see if that will keep my bag warm, its one of those that roll up really small but if not I guess I will have to get a 3 season one again
lots of them do not state 1 2 o3 or 4 season the crafty sods they just say summer and autumn well in the spanish heat or the heat of southern italy no probs but freezing france is different and lost sleep makes you tired
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Halfnut
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Oh god yes, trying to cram to peole and two lots of bike kit into a too small tent is bad enough... And if the bike gear is sodden its infinitely worse
You need sufficient room inside the tent for the gear, because if it rains and it's left I. The awning it can end up soaked... Actually, if you come back plastered and forget to take the stuff into the tent fro. The awning it ends up drenched, as we found in mandello - oooops |
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Two people need a fiveman tent at a minimum
Years of camping have taught me this. |
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at one time it was a simple matter of going into a few camping shops and comparing prices but these days there are just too many different brands and model sizes it can be a very time consuming thing to do, the good news is at this time of year there are a lot of tent outlets doing big displays of their ranges, just google 'tent displays' followed by your location and you should get a good list of places to vist,
one other problem now is the fact that tent manufactors are now more and more moving their production to China, last year my old Vango Force Ten survived a very wet and very windy winter rally high up in Todmorden, but a couple of newer Force Tens got ripped, my tent was about 18 years old the damaged ones were only a year or so old, my tent had a label with 'Vango Force Ten' 'Made in Scotland' their tents just had 'Vango Force Ten' but the 'Made in Scotland' bit was missing, going on the internet last night I did notice a good few remarks on camping forums re "the poor quality control" with some (but not all)Vangos, not only Force Tens, and many fingers being pointed to the fact that they are not made in Glasgow anymore, likewise with some other brands. I decided after the Wiltshire branch camping wekend that I am getting to old to crawl in and out of a small tent so today I went into my local camping outlet in Blackburn, ( Outdoor Action) the good news was that both the very helpfull staff members were motorcyclists who did a good amount of camping and knew their stuff, they both have used Force Tens for years but after the Todmorden weekend I am not sure if I want to pay £435 for a Chinese Vango, the tent they both did rate for a motorcycle use was a brand unknown to me 'Robens Light Dreamer' and they had one on display, £175, it has good reviews on a lot of innernet camping forums, maybe a good idea would be to list all the tents on this thread and whilst going around as many tent displays as you can look out for these brands, take your time, re-read the posts above and dont panic! you will get there in time. Edited by northwest - 08 May 2012 at 23:32 |
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Brian UK
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![]() Posted: 08 May 2012 at 20:17 |
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was that this one Bob?
£110 at Cotswold Outdoor with free delivery.
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HaydnR
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rapheal glynn
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this forum is most useful
I am getting a great deal of clear concise advice
It has been pointed out to me that with the present grotty weather now is a good time to buy a tent
campania in last of the summer wine country are having a huuuge open weekend for fours days from friday
I was hoping to go but I have to finish a job for a client before she goes into hospital !!
if any of you chaps and chappesses live that way
Cotswolds outdoors are not far from me I like their shops and used to know the origional team who set it up all very keen chaps mostly ex army and barking mad but honest and helpful
I have also noticed that they do you tube videos of the tents setting them up, thats also useful as I learn more from that than the instructions Edited by rapheal glynn - 08 May 2012 at 23:00 |
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