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guzzibear
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   Posted: 19 Jul 2009 at 18:58 |
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Saw on one of the Buells yesterday a real neat rear rack that also folded and locked at the verticle so it worked as a backrest.
The 1125r looked rather nice, didn't dare to take up their offer of a test ride the seating position was very comfy bars and footrests set just right.
There were a fair few Buel riders who also had Guzzis most were a very nice bunch to chat to.
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940V
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Posted: 20 Jul 2009 at 07:41 |
Hi gb That folding backrest is a feature on the Ullyses adventure/tourer.
Not my cup of earl grey actually, but they are brilliant to ride.
So you didn't fancy a ride on the 1125 then??? hmmm they are having a few probs shifting those actually due to a body styling malaise caused by those huge cooling pods spoiling the lines of the front of the machine and that wierd exhaust set-up. It's a shame as apparently the new Rotax water cooled V is an absolute blast.
I'm not at all surprised that Buell owners also have Guzzi's though, as they are very purist in their love of big air cooled V twins and are as fanatical about the models as the long term Guzzisti on this forum.
Thats Poss. why you immediately felt at ease with them as true bike enthusiasts are sort of bonded to a wider unspoken brotherhood in real life anyway and not always how some portray themselves in a single marque forum context.
Brian: Thanks for the useful link there, but i won't be going down the full-on tourer route on the Bellagio.
As Grant (Rob) Tnarg says, the Bellagio is such a good looking piece of motorcycle design art that any add-ons do tend to spoil it....
Errr hang on, no.... it's ok...I'm just doing take aways i suppose.
(cue jokes about pizza delivery bikes)
Rob: Enjoy your hols dude and i'll look out for any behavioral fluctuations caused by the Bellagio euphoria condition
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Brian UK
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Posted: 20 Jul 2009 at 09:21 |
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I must say, seeing the pictures of that rack on the Bellagio, it didn't look good. If you wanted a rack like that on a bike, as they say when asking directions, "if I were you, I wouldn't start from here".
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OldJohnboy
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Posted: 20 Jul 2009 at 09:31 |
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Honda also do a folding rack/back rest arrangement for the CB 1300, the best (possibly only good?) looking bike they do
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guzzibear
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Posted: 20 Jul 2009 at 19:16 |
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There was a nice Bellagio at the Buell day and a really nice white Griso. I liked the riding position of the Buell but yeah I did ask about the "front panniers" Jeez are they butt ugly" there was some mick taking big time about them too questions like
"was the designer blind?" or
"what styling, I thought they were detatchable"
One lady Buell rider had the best line
"If I can't put my briefs and makeup in them what use ARE they!" All to gales of laughter from the Buell crowd
The other bike they had apart from the adventurer thing looked like it had been crushed and squeezed up. again nice ergonomics but no real style looked like the back end had been chopped off and the front had already hit a wall.
IF they had some Italian style, form over function, Nicer sounding exhaust and do something anything with the air intake they may be a contender.
I remember the early Buells they had a Dustbin stuck on the side spoiled the whole look for me. Mind I have Buell Firestorm mirrors on the V11 the stalks are 1" longer so I can see behind my ample form "just" Fittings are exactly the same as Guzzi and mirror part No the same too. Cheaper than Guzzi parts as a replacement.
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940V
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Posted: 20 Jul 2009 at 20:09 |
 Tsk. Dya mean like this (click)>>>>..How cool is that (except for the unlucky green paint job of course!)
Anyway, enuff of the touchy-feely stuff for one momento....
<***Bulletin***>
I have found out today that the paint finish on the Bellagio tank is not available. Now i have a problem. After a lengthly yet convivial telecon with a knowledgeable fella at 3LX down in poole... this stuff is lethal and only available to a consortium of sprayers within stone throwing distance of Nelson Mandello.
I hereby launch a heart felt appeal to any skilled automotive re-finishers to:
A. gimme gimme the RAL No. or
B. Confirm Is this a low temp. powder bake
C. Can you supply the satin black Bellagio paint finish or something like it
for a reasonable cost for a small batch order?
<***End of Bulletin***>
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940V
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Posted: 21 Jul 2009 at 11:26 |
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....I do trust that you will excuse the thread 'bump' here, but today i was delighted to find the answer to my enquiry was already here on the forum. t.bq.h. i hadn't used the forum search option before, so i simply tapped in "paint codes" and blow me down, it turned up a result from BrianUK with a link to RS motorbikepaint.html in another paint enquiry thread. >>>>
I've sent them an email and hope they will be able to assist. It does serve as a reminder though, like before posting 'Q's and creating multiple posts for the same answers, to use the site search option and thus avoid tiresome repeat enquiries that can be a tad irksome to the more knowledgeable members of the forum.
Anyway up, cheers B.U.K.
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guzzibear
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Posted: 21 Jul 2009 at 12:23 |
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Naah cos us of the older generation forget what we said yesterday let alone a previous post. There are satin black finishes out there cos I used one, No idea where it came from right now tho'
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Brian UK
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Posted: 21 Jul 2009 at 14:16 |
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I have always said, the greater part of knowledge is remembering where you saw the information required.
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DaveR
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Posted: 21 Jul 2009 at 16:02 |
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Hi Tnarg/Grant/Dave?This board is getting a little complicated for a semi-It literate like me.
Sorry for the delay in reply as have been on family hols in deepest norfolk.
Yes, I do ride classics, but always have ever since they were just old bikes.
Black Bess is my second Guzzi, having owned a Breva 750 previously. A good and capable bike, but I was just knocked out by the stunning looks of the Bellagio.
My other bikes are Triumph T140, Enfield Bullet 612, soon to be 625.
Regarding the fitting instructions on H&B rack, I see the guy doing the fitting has the bike on a paddock type stand, does anyone know what type this is, never having owned a bike without a centre stand I,m not very familiar with these items.
Bye for now,
DaveR (D8)
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Toad
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Posted: 21 Jul 2009 at 21:14 |
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I saw the rack info somewhere else and the guy said it is the MG Griso Paddock.
I think they are about £100. I asked dealer if Guzzi said they were OK for the Bellagio but never heard any more. Seem to work fine for this guy though. |
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DaveR
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Posted: 21 Jul 2009 at 21:34 |
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Thanks Dave,
I'll have a word with my friendly MG dealer, see if they know any more.
Bye for now,
Dave R
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940V
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Posted: 22 Jul 2009 at 07:04 |
'mornin D8
 Unfortunately, as gb and b.u.k. recently indicated, i am of that certain age group where i was riding classic bikes when they were still current models.
That's not to say my ability to process road riding information has now declined from nano-seconds to granny-seconds, hence the need to shift away from modern high horsepower machines.
Indeed, the Bellagio can be a very rewarding ride if you're not afraid to give it some beanz and use that brilliant gearbox to get a wiggle on.
But it's a great package for sure. Here we have an almost timeless classic design that embodies beauty with nostalgia for the good ol' days....but without the oil leaks/duff electrics and other chores that the real McCoy bring with them.
Interesting that you have the trumpet and the enfields tho'
I finally arrived at the Bellagio solution having cashed in my beemer k1200rs and a highly tweaked 'XOPTI' Buell fueller xb9s and prior to that a JHS tuned SV1000 streetfighter styled bike.
The latter two may indicate why i'm slightly morphing the current eye candy into that sort of context but opting for shaft drive and light weight and the classic MG heritage into a single all purpose machine.
For touring the big K was the bizz but now i just clip on the extended comfort seat and tank bag for week-end breaks with the mrs. and don't forsee any more autobahn storming being required anymore.
The rest of the time for solo i revert to the original saddle that looks so right and really belongs to the design.
Are you going to be able to get to the Bellagio Rugby meet on Aug 23rd?
Mark Bellagio has set one up and i'm hoping to get some time off to be there.
stay
 D8 all the best D1V<---EDIT---> Tsk. you sent me off down memory lane there with the classics Dave, and i recalled some of the iron i have had in my personal heritage and although there are many more, these were notables that sprang to mind....I wonder what some of this stuff wold be worth now????
60's: AMC James Captain, Aerial Arrow, ES2 Norton, Norton Navig. Matchless G9
70's: Enfield Constellation, Norton 650SS, Velocette Thruxton Venom, BSA B32 Goldie
80's: BSA A65T Thunderbolt , Honda CX , Yamaha XS750
90's: Another CX, Triumph Trident Triple, Bmw K100RS, Bmw K1
20's: Suzuki SV650, Bmw K1200RS-Mk1, ZookSV1000, Bmw K1200RS-Mk2
Buell XB9S, Moto Guzzi Bellagio I guess that put's me out of the "born-again-rider" category eh?
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DaveR
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Posted: 22 Jul 2009 at 13:43 |
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Hiya D1V
True what you say about the timeless design but without all the shall we say "high maintenance levels" required of the old 'uns.
My main reason for going Guzzi was indeed the classic appeal with the benefits of technology, I find the response from the efi system a revelation, not to mention having a bike with proper brakes! I was expecting a bike with all the modern advantages but with just enough character to keep me interested, but the Bellagio has totally knoicked me out with its capabilities, not to mention its looks which are just soooo right.
Wow what a list of classics!
I figure just the Velo and the Goldie would fetch about 20k between them, if only 'eh Dave?
Most certainly will be at Dunchurch in August, hope your Bellagio mods will be in evidence?
Dave, your postings really are the most entertaining and I always look forward to anything from 940V
Bye for now
D8
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Tnarg
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Posted: 22 Jul 2009 at 19:02 |
No worries - I'm in big ol' Yurop and regretting not bringing my Bellagio. Well not really - no garage here and it's been raining....well.....! I don't understand the board either, but it's easy just coming back to this thread and adding every other bit on to it! You enjoying your Bellagio then? The first 2000 miles are just warm up!  |
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Tnarg
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Posted: 22 Jul 2009 at 19:14 |
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Indeed, the Bellagio can be a very rewarding ride if you're not
afraid to give it some beanz and use that brilliant gearbox to get a
wiggle on.
But it's a great package for sure. Here we have an almost timeless
classic design that embodies beauty with nostalgia for the good ol'
days....but without the oil leaks/duff electrics and other chores that
the real McCoy bring with them.
Couldn't agree more. It's really the cool combination styling and wow factor on the ride which does it for me. I haven't ridden it long enough to see what long term issues will arise..... Anyone? |
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guzzibear
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Posted: 22 Jul 2009 at 19:20 |
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Just wait till it goes over the 10,000 then 15,000 the engine really does get very very sweet. When it goes over the first 100,000 weeelllll
In all seriousness (If thats a real word) The T5 engine i popped into my V1000 had 21,000kms on it 3 yrs ago now it went over the 15,000 miles since it went into the V1000. I have to say it is pulling far better than it did and the top speed is up as well as the effort to get there.
When I first put it in it would kinda struggle over 80, NOW ...straight up to 95 no bother at all and given a bit of encouragement tops out at 120, Due to the high gearing it has to be revved out through the gears but holds the overdrive top far better than it did.
Guzzis really DO get better as they mature, just keep doing regular oil changes, I do mine every 5k and filter every other change. Those filters were designed for a V8 5+liter car to be changed every 12k or more.
There is a site somewhere all about the effectiveness of oil filters and the UFi comes out waaay ahead of the other filters tested.
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Hiya Tnarg/Guzzibear,
Yep. a mate of mine, a long term Mg owner reckons 20k to be the sweet spot when it all settles down.
Yes Tnarg I guess you could say i was enjoying the Bellagio, never had a bike before that I just didn't want to stop riding, seems to be nailed to my a*** at the moment.
The oil in the breather pipe doesn't really seem to me to be much of a problem, as has been said before, in the old days the pipe would just exit at the rear somewhere or directed on to the chain(what's one of those?)
so I guess we can just blame legislation for that. I do think that as the motor beds down this problem will diminish, or maybe it finds it own level, time will tell.
Hope you're not suffering too many withdrawal symptoms at the moment and hope you can make it to Dunchurch.
Bye for now
D8
Btw
Anyone know what happened to Pupton, the starter of this topic, did he actually buy a Bellagio? Edited by DaveR - 22 Jul 2009 at 21:09 |
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Tnarg
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Posted: 22 Jul 2009 at 21:54 |
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Thanks Guzzibear ~ I usually sell my bikes before they go anywhere near 100,000, just 'cos I'm afraid of getting my hands dirty with repair works ;)
Dave - it's such a comfy and spirited ride I think the Bellagio is designed for touring! Does your breather pipe leak? I'm quite surprised at the number who report this. Mine has never leaked on me. How far is Dunchurch from St Malo? |
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DaveR
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Posted: 22 Jul 2009 at 22:35 |
Hi Tnarg,
Yep, have drained out about 2 pipefulls in 1400 miles, no big deal as far as I'm concerned, as I said, I think this will settle down as engine beds in.
Guess you can't make it to the Dave, sorry, Bellagio meet? Don't worry Tnarg I'm sure we'll get a few pics for you.
Bye for now
D8
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Posted: 22 Jul 2009 at 22:59 |
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I set up a Bellagio flickr group to try and pool all the photos instead of hunting for them all:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/1128683@N25/ Not much there yet! |
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940V
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Posted: 23 Jul 2009 at 11:03 |
Hya Dave. Thing is, these were my actual bikes that i bought/ran/built as daily commuters or leisure riding tools throughout each of those decades, and back then it just didn't occur to me that one day these would be worth something as an investment.
Did you notice a pattern emerging on the style of bikes though,as i went from the 200cc two stroke James
(i passed my test on it in the middle 60's when i was 16) upto predominantly Beemers when i hit the 50ish y.o. crisis period
 Now @ the tender age of 60+15months i finally settle on a Bellagio....
How about that
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940V
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Posted: 23 Jul 2009 at 11:06 |
Hey Rob....I've joined up!
Now if i can just figure out joined-up-handwriting, i'm on a roll!!! |
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940V
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Posted: 23 Jul 2009 at 23:43 |
lol nahhh, he's just dossing in that bus shelter just down the road from twiggers waiting 'till they come back from threir shut down period.
Eyuop pup
(adopt reality check mode b4 reading on plz)..D1V: " 'Ullo mate. wassuup?"
PUP: "Boogie all aktuelment squire..anyway, who want's to know"
D1V: "Well sumbuddy axed for yoh on das foroom"
PUP: "FXake shagger why don't you just practice yar Engrish?"
D1V: Well...."Tsk, no need to be a skinky pit, ye-arsss"
PUP: "Look mang, i didn't mean to get ragged but....some hoolies turned me over and swagged my bumbag and now i have shyste Mc.Gregor even for me bus fare...gotta fag dude"
D1V: "Shape up pupton, your fans need yooo"
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940V
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So, Pupton didn't show...ahhh well.
Here are a couple more pics of w.i.p. plus a very nice example of a neatly bobbed european machine. >>>>
Note the sylph like structure of the Bellagio in the pic to illustrate the naked drag bars with the bar-end mirrors on the 940V Bolide, and how it's crying out for the shorty upswept megga (or a slimmer pair of for me) as illustrated on the EuroBobber to complete the transformation.
The mini bikini fairing went into the paint shop this morning, hence the naked front wheel. The fender was supplied as a paint matching sample to ensure the best coding between the fuel tank/nose cone to complete a best match between the three items.
There are some issues that have arisen by the fitting of the L.E.D. indicators and the line resistors.
This has created a fault warning indication on the pilot display, and will need resolving, but it's not insurmountable as again, to refer to the euromachine it looks like he has some L.E.D. battens too, and would have probably encountered this situation.
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I think Pupton did a runner! He'd be awed at how long this thread has gone on since the forum left him behind :)
http://72.41.238.69/Mod1.jpg
Just look at how clean you've got that beautiful Bellagio! I wish mine came with a garage! Lol. 3 members on the Flirtr Group! The guy who posted the 3rd image of the single exhaust Bellagio doesn't actually own it! He just photo'd it in his collection :( |
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You are getting scarily like erm Hardly riders y 'know
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^^^
That's rich coming from you gb after you said you wore chaps!!!
(squabble bicker/ thumb nose etc.)
....Nah, truth is mate, i have a situation where there is nothing on the search forum option about anybody fitting l.e.d. indicators to their guzzi'z
and i was hoping to get some answers from a fella on Tnargs Bellagio hang out page.
It's a bit techie, but there is a fault monitoring facility in the ecu that warns you of blown bulb filaments. I'm guessing just now that because the l.e.d indicators are low current consumption items that they are not showing the same electrical resistance value as the filament bulb version and therefore indicating a dud lamp even tho' they are working fine.
There is a line resistor in series with each indicator to set the right flash rate but that's obviously still not enough so unless this fault threshold cannot be altered in the ecu i shall have to fit a bleed resistor in parralell with each indicator and using good ol' ohms law be able to match the load to the original turn lamp resistance value.
Other than that, do you know any guzzists that have done this mod?
Cheers. Dave1V
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Hi Dave1V
Interesting changes you're making to the Bellagio. At least we'll be able to recognise yours when we meet in August! I look forward to seeing the finished project. I'm no auto electrician but presumably the fault code was showing before you removed the headlight? Have you also junked the number plate light? Is this the reason for the fault code? |
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