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940V
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   Posted: 25 Jul 2009 at 13:19 |
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Hya D15 (we're catching you up now @ D8 with DaveR's Bellagio)
Thanks for your interest bud. The fault issue is now resolved, so here is what i found/did as i know you are keen on all Bellagio maintenance and problem solutions.
Luckily, i had a spare pair of Motrax mini l.e.d. indicators with the inline resistor packs left over from my recent Buell spares stockpile.
The ones supplied with the Oberon versions are quite large and cased in a finned heat sink. with two bare lugs protruding from the ends.
The plugs for the front indicators are mounted inside the speedo binnacle and there is not much space in there ,so i'd used the motrax resistor packs as they are small and slim and cased in a heat proof butyl rubber sleeve.
First, i put a multi-meter on the motrax resistor pack and got 2.6 ohms.
Next, i tested the indicator leads and found that no resistance value was indicated. i checked the leads of the oberon's and found the same.
"ding"... there was my answer! The motrax resistors are a 4wire parralell package, and i had wired the rears with the big oberon resistors in series on the +ve leads only....Hence the lighting fault signal.
So, i resoldered the rear resistors same as the motrax packs and the fault signal cleared.
As you know, my bike is devoid of headlamp assy during these mods, but i had plugged it back in when i first saw the fault indication, thinking that this was the problem.
Similarly, i'd re-routed the tail lamp loom and plugged that it too. It now is coiled up for future use as a hand lamp socket in the battery compartment.
When i re-tested the bike i didn't have the headlight assy plugged in and yet no fault was indicated, which leads me to believe that perhaps the lighting faults are only monitored on the rearward facing lighting equipment i.e. rear inds/stop/tail/no. plate light.
Tsk. wot a saturday eh? From lawn mowing to ohms law and the sun is shining while i'm not riding....Loifes a beach sometimes isn-it
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d15nel
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Posted: 25 Jul 2009 at 18:30 |
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Glad it's sorted. When do you get the headlamps re-attached and back on the road?
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940V
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Posted: 25 Jul 2009 at 21:00 |
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S'cool D15. Just that sometimes we have to go back to basics instead of relying on the "information-super-highway" that often is shrouded in fog and littered with rolled boom-box exponents and wreaths nailed to trees.
There is some lead time req. with a busy m/cycle paint specialist shop, but tentatively spooking, it will be for collection next Fri.
You may wonder why i didn't just bolt the original headlight back in and pop out for a burn...well, like i said when i took off the front fender to supply as a paint match, i did so by removing the bracket that also must serve as a fork brace due to it's burly cast aluminium construction.
Having sampled a bim K75 triple with "gambalunga" long shank spindly fork legs that twist and walk under braking loads, i decided that discretion was the better part of valour in this instance...
Not least because it was down to two pin falls or one submission if i went back into that garage before the lawns were done (if ya get my drift?)
So, she should be fighting fit within the fortnight, but the icing on the cake will be the exhaust and this may be tardy due to lack of funds just yet.
We'll see eh?
Shiney side hup D15!
L8R
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940V
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Posted: 26 Jul 2009 at 08:57 |
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Top 'o the mornin' Tnarg
 Listen to that motor on the vid posted here>>>
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And heres the link for the mini indictor compact inline resistors. >>>>
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940V
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Posted: 26 Jul 2009 at 10:40 |
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On a wet sunday morning on the day of the last MGP at donnie...(3pm/bbc2)... What better than killing a little time by doing some photo shop visualisations for the Bellagio exhaust.
So, i took the "italian job" custom from Tnargs site and popped it into the mincer and came up with this that i think would do admirably nelson so-to-speak >>>>
I really want something done like this at OSS and i just hope that i'll have a little change left over to feed the dog like
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Tnarg
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Posted: 26 Jul 2009 at 15:05 |
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Lol. Those exhausts sound like a Chelsea tractor! What a pretty bike though the exhaust doesn't seem to quite go with the retro-check look. I'm sticking to the original exhausts  Is the grey & white colour scheme later than the black and white colour scheme? I don't know why the black and white colour scheme reminds me the streak of white on the small furry animal - a skunk? Haven't heard that word used in this context correctly. Maybe it should be renamed the 'Pepe Le Brun' colour scheme  |
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Tnarg
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Posted: 26 Jul 2009 at 15:08 |
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Interesting idea about the twin exhausts......
I guess they'd be (marginally) lighter than the stock cans. Most importantly - can see you see any power gains from switching over to these kinds of exhausts? I like the torque/power curves of the Bellagio as its stock form. Maybe coring is the best option to retain the classy look. The naked street fighter look is interesting - maybe that's what Bellagio need to market more of for the Bellagio so that those who aren't into modern retro get to see how cool it is not to have to spend every Sunday in the garage :) |
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guzzibear
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Posted: 26 Jul 2009 at 19:31 |
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O&S who will custom make the exhaust for my bike, claim to create systems that give a better V twin soundtrack without any impaiment f performance.
Oh Roy will manage that He can even manufacture "adjustable baffles" which are real good. The system on Annies Virago makes it sound alot more like a V Twin should. I know the system as fitted to Paul Page's Famous le Mans has "amplifiers" I think BOY is it rorty
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940V
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Posted: 27 Jul 2009 at 07:42 |
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Heve you got a pic of the Virago set gb? I always thought the std. exhaust set up on that bike was one of the best for it's neat symmetrical shape and how it sets off the look of the bike.
Those adjustable baffles...are they like clip in db killers?
That seems lke a great idea to me, like riding long distance with just the "purr" of the standard pipes with the crackle only evident when being accelerated hard is far more kind to aural comfort than arriving at your destination with yar ears bleeding from over 105 Db.
<---edit---> Here is a mildly tuned Hardley Ableson featuring an early back street stacked megga system from the ghetto. The sounds from this are legendary apparently >>>>
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guzzibear
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Posted: 27 Jul 2009 at 11:48 |
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Yeah go to here
Scroll down to the Yamaha XV535 Virago this shot taken the day they were done.
The bike is now 2 tone green and has had some more heat shields added as Annie keeps burning waterproofs on the zorst cos she is "Little" Lots of other pics of his work too.
The adjustable baffle is a tube down the silencer with a grub screw allowing you to move it in or out you can just see it on the Cali EV in his pictures.
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Brian UK
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Posted: 27 Jul 2009 at 14:04 |
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guzzijack
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Posted: 27 Jul 2009 at 14:39 |
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Probably to put out the burning windscreen (and vehicles in front) if he gets a backfire through the blowers. 
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940V
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Posted: 27 Jul 2009 at 14:42 |
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I know that you know that they aren't really fire extinguishers B.U.K. and it'sa just an over exaggerated nitrous oxide kit really to complement the o.t.t. styling excercise.
GuzziBear: I have looked at all pics and info on the OS pipes site before.
but it's good to have a personal endorsement of the quality of their work by a satisfied customer, so thanks for that buddz.
I had already spoken to Roy around a month ago after learning about his knowledge with Guzzi exhaust systems from this forum, and i'll soon be contacting him again to discuss the ideas for the Bellagio.
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940V
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Posted: 27 Jul 2009 at 19:44 |
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^^^ lol yeah mate...if we both turned up asking for the same style as that Hardley Ableson, the club special would probably mean something more resembling a seal cull rather than a discount!
....hey chap, i didn't know you did latin...that's well
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Tnarg
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Posted: 27 Jul 2009 at 20:05 |
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Someone somewhere had to help that guy fit numerous exhausts onto that Harley!
I guess it means at least one of his exhausts is street legal. My Latin is really terrible now. At least my French is enough to get me around here! |
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940V
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Posted: 28 Jul 2009 at 08:49 |
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Yes it's really handy to be fluent in a second language. Unfortunately i'm still at the 'schoolboy' level in conversaional French, yet can reasonably translate written signage and articles and get by in both German and French with a few smiles/grimaces and hand signals to augment my earnest attempts to communicate with them foreign johnnies.
 Re the exhausts for our bikes. I think it would be a good idea for us to mention to Roy (the main man @ OS) that it could be a multiple order, and once he has the jig/pattern made up from using my bikes collector box/cat as the original pattern to make the new mk2 sans cat version, it should be a more straightforward job for the next one he undertakes.
The collector box/mountings part is the key here, and whichever end can style you choose is then down to your own personal taste, or as it has been pointed out to me by gb, what the engineer says is the right way to go with the design.
.....I reckon he'd shoot the tinsmith that did the HD one!
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guzzijack
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Posted: 30 Jul 2009 at 06:46 |
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So, which one of the Bellagio Daves is going to be the first to do it?
GJ
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940V
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Posted: 30 Jul 2009 at 07:48 |
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Wow GJ that's an exceptionally handsome cafe racer indeed!
What a find, when Tnarg clocks that he'll have a babby.
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guzzijack
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Posted: 30 Jul 2009 at 19:24 |
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Some more pics of that Bad Boy Bellagio and some other interesting Guzzis on this thread from a Spanish forum http://guzzistas.mforos.com/661527/8652531-galicia-calidade-2009/?pag=22
Looks like they're enjoying the same sort of weather we are - NOT!
GJ
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Tnarg
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Posted: 30 Jul 2009 at 20:06 |
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Oh noooo...how could you Dave IV? Looking at:  makes me think that it was inspired by Hugh Heffner on an encounter with a cucumber grinder from Oliver Jamie's kitchen. I don't know what it is...the whole bike looks all wrong! They've put on a space capsule top from Space 1999' series and a Cyclops headlamp and wrecked the understated sleek satin black of the Bellagio. I'm having a babbie that anyone could think I'd go for that sort of Frankenbellagiostein! |
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Tnarg
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Posted: 30 Jul 2009 at 20:15 |
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Being away I'm falling behind this thread! Well I'm back in England in autumn - if you're seeing Roy, I'd defo like to core it with adjustable baffles (got to get through the MOT you know). My worry is having to hand my Bellagio over for a few days. I don't mind waiting for it to be done on the day. The insecurity of separation :) I have a good idea of what I'd like the sound to sound like. It reminds me of a Pearl Jam track. It's goes like..hmmm. Hmmm. HMMMM. HMMM!!! WOW!! Okay, maybe somethings don't get translated well on the internet :) |
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Mark Bellagio
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Posted: 30 Jul 2009 at 21:48 |
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Hiya Rob,
I'm a great fan of the Cafe Racer look, having personally "caff'd" a couple of bikes in my time:-
1) '74 Yamaha Fizzy (my first ever bike, spent hours caffing it!)
2) Ducati M600 (regret trading it for M1000)
I've also bought a cafe racer "off the shelf", i.e. 2nd hand Triumph Thruxton. I reckon that Spanish Bellagio cafe racer looks the business! Awesome
 Good to hear you're back on-line and hope to see you again when you're back in the UK!
Cheers
Mark
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DaveR
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Posted: 30 Jul 2009 at 22:28 |
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Hi all,
Yep, looks the biz allright, fairing/tank seem a bit 900 ss Duck & Cat. but no bad thing for all that.
Bye for now.
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iandunmore
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Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 10:55 |
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The holey top fin is a rocker cover crash protecter. Extremly good idea.
Roy will sell you a pair.
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MK111 Le Mans not for sale. One careless owner.V750 Breva, magic.North Oxfordshire.
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940V
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Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 11:05 |
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Thanks for the tip ID, that IS a good idea! i can see that it would save the plug getting smashed off in a spill, but what about the rocker box being scratched...or is that a complete assy that bolts on in place of the thermo plastic lead covers to protect the lot?
I'll certainly consider that when i go up to Hixton as it looks a better solution to suit the style of the bike i'm aiming for rather than fitting crash bars.
Do you have any more pics or a bit more info please?
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Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 11:36 |
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Saves your plugs, rocker fins and much more. Means a getoff need not stop you finishing your journey.
If you look arond most Toti and later big blocks have had them fitted by their owners/carers.
Do not buy Guzzi's own cast protectors, they are crap. Edited by iandunmore - 31 Jul 2009 at 11:37 |
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MK111 Le Mans not for sale. One careless owner.V750 Breva, magic.North Oxfordshire.
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guzzibear
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Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 11:58 |
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Pete at reboot does some with the eagle logo on them they have some on e-bay as Ray got a pair for £5.99 for his spada.
On the subject of exhausts once Roy has had one bike in for the dimensions he has been known to make up a system and you go get it fitted. Again Ray is going there today to get his new systam for his (Now) concors Spada. He has done a fantastic job on that bike considering the utter mess the internals were in.
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guzzijack
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Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 16:23 |
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Why would they want to get rid of the twin plugged head? I'm sure it's part of the reason that the ultra short stroke engine runs so well.
I suspect they have just extended the outside plug leads so they can nearly follow the traditional route on big block Tontis - although they run over the inlet spigot instead of underneath, so maybe they are just re-routed and got there 'at a stretch'.
The rocker covers are polished ally 'smooth' style from the late model Tonti squarefin series - the earlier ones are a bit more angular and have some ribs on top.
The 'brass knuckleduster' rocker protectors are aftermarket and available in many styles - they just bolt up on the lower 4 x M6 rocker cover retaining bolts.
All looks good though.
 GJ
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940V
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Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 19:22 |
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Thanks all you fella's for your valued input.
If i can just ask someone to post a direct link url to a source of these subtle crash protectors, that would be fantastico.
You see, i may be tapping in the wrong search terms/phrases to the gargle and yarhoo search engines, and it would be nice to short circuit turning up all the irrelevant results and going direct to a page or two that illustrates what i'm after.
To just focus on GJ's recent reply though:
..."Why would they want to get rid of the twin plugged head? I'm sure it's part of the reason that the ultra short stroke engine runs so well"....
As a recent convert to Guzzidom, i'm still sort of feeling my way around what is probably "old hat" to the majority of longer term enthusiasts of this noble marque.
I'm thoroughly enjoying the "trip" tho' because the last Guzzi i rode
(on swap/loan) was a looong time ago with a titan grip required to open the throttles and to ride a non carc assisted shaftie with any "presence" within the rest of the posse.
This bike is marvellous. It's really cutting edge retro if you can get your head 'round that wierd statement, and i was just pondering whether during the development period of the 940, that there may have been some slightly earlier versions on an unannounced limited mainland european release.
But now of course i get the picture due to the tips/explainations...
But "brass knuckles".. lo..l i thought you lot were more about optimate chargers/morris lubricants/and the best wet weather leggings!
It's all good stuff chaps
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Tnarg
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Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 20:42 |
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Hey Mark - I'm dreading coming back to the UK's terrible weather. Is it as bad as the news forecast says? It's great out here. If I could move...I would...! Have a good summer & hope to catch up back in September! |
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